Flakes, flakes everywhere.

[Vincentus]

When OR first started, it was a great community of reliable players who showed up to the raids they signed up to, because they genuinely wanted to do some raids with folks. We built up our reputation through the good or bad jobs we did, and I didn't see a whole lot of negative commentary.

These days, I can't seem to put a single raid together without half the original roster flaking out before we've even started. They won't accept their invites, they don't accept their RealID request, I've even had people who sign up for multiple raids and ditch mine for someone else's at the same time. I've had to call multiple raids several times because of this issue and waste a lot more time than just my own.

More players is nice to have a better pool to pull from.. but can we get some people who actually understand how to keep a commitment? I'm really tired of having to sift through all the garbage to find one decent player who wasn't carried through the content or doesn't stand in fire then talk mad [Censored] to everyone else after the fact. It was easy with a thousand players, two thousand... but now it's becoming impossible. People are appearing and disappearing faster than they can be rated.

New guys. If you sign up for a raid, please show up! You don't realize how many other people you've detrimented by not appearing to something you committed yourself to. I expect when it says "definitely will come", that you'll be there when I send out invites. When you don't show up, we have to spend upwards of 30 to 40 minutes after the raid trying to replace your spot, which puts us at no time at all to actually work on the content.

Of course the offending parties won't be here to read this, but hey. At least I got it off my chest.

I already know what I can do to fix the issue and I've done it many many times. It just feels like for every downvoted flake comes 600 more who haven't been in a raid yet. Sigh.

[Gnosh]

New guys. If you sign up for a raid, please show up!

[Schwert]

I haven't had too many problems with no shows in my ICC,
but I do have a problem of people signing up and not reading the details of the raid and then demanding certain things go to them when I've stated it's going to be open roll every single week. Or not noting there's a reserve on the mount (for gold) that's also; extremely clearly laid out in it's own paragraph on the raid description.

I also state to be online 15 minutes early or you might lose your spot to a pug.
The guy accepting my invite 5 minutes late then gets extremely angry on RiD that I brought in somebody's friend over him.

Just a rant but still;
Some people aren't so great. No shows will luckily be weeded out with the rep system eventually.

[Royalite]

I have the same problem too Schwert.

I try to remember to explain all the rules again before the pull. It helps a bit with that.

[Schwert]

Yeah - I always make sure the biggies are covered while we're clearing trash to Marrowgar.
(Invincible reserve, Only 3 people rolling on shards each week ect.)

Sometimes people just completely ignore it and think that I'll bend the rules once we get to the boss with the loot they want though.
Luckily these people aren't too common. I've only had 2 so far from Openraid cause an issue with the last troublemaker actually being a realm invite much to my dismay.

The community here is amazing though and the people causing problems have merely because an inside joke the new people will never understand.
It's best to laugh these things off than get stressed over it I've found.

[azrian]

The Unfortunate part is you can't fix the fact that people refuse to read the details of the raid they are signing up for. All you can really do is stick to the details which you have laid out. Getting everyone's attention and going over the details before the first boss encounter is the best way, as you stated you do. If someone at that point doesn't like the details because they didn't read them, then they have the choice to stay or leave. As a member of the raid, you also have the choice to down vote them for leaving the raid, mark no opinion, and or leave a comment on the profile page so other members know what happened in that raid. It's also important for those who lead to look at the profiles of every member they select for the raid, and that really helps to decrease the amount of problems.

For those members who start to cause issues, it's real simple when I lead, I just kick you out and move on. If you are in OpenRaid vent and you kick someone, and they continue to cause trouble in the vent channel, just hop up and grab a vent mod and they can solve the problem for the members actions in vent.

Changes are coming, that should help decrease the number of no show's that we have with raid sign ups. You can read that thread here also on the forums, that explains what some of those changes are going to be.

The thing people need to realize, is that we are open to all players to become members and join the community here at OpenRaid. As we keep growing, and the amount of members keeps increasing, we are going to get more and more of what I call the " Unsavory Players" from the gaming community, and there isn't much we can do about that initially. What can be done to weed those type of members out, who like to cause trouble, constantly flaming and harassing other members etc., is pretty simple.
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Use the voting system from raids as it should be used, and give an "accurate" "vote" to each member of the group. Don't just simply go through and mark everyone as great, take the time to do it right.

Use the comment section on the members profile to leave a "short", "accurate", and "friendly" description of how they were in the raid.

Although tempting, do not "flame" the persons profile, or "retaliate" to a comment they leave on their profile page, or your page, after you left an accurate one on their profile. No need to make yourself look bad over a comment.

Report any flaming, harassing, false, belittling, or any other comments or actions that happen here on OpenRaid, and that are considered against the rules and regulations, to the staff of OpenRaid. You can do this by simply submitting one support ticket that describes everything you need to tell us. (Note: There isn't much we can do about issue that occur inside the game, such as loot issues etc, however if an issue of someones conduct is a growing and repeating issue that is affecting other members here on OpenRaid, then we can do something in regards to that)

Simply help us to help you, and if nothing else when unsure of what to do about a situation, you can whisper a mod in chat, visit the support tab in chat, PM a mod, or submit a support ticket. The community is as big a part of helping keep this a good community, as the staff is. Remember we don't get paid to do this, all the staff volunteer their time so that we can use a great site and experience a great community, as we all play ourselves, and to also provide that same thing we expect, to all of you.

[Vincentus]

I haven't had too many problems with no shows in my ICC.

The big difference between your pugs and mine is that I'm not trying to clear five year old content with overgeared and overleveled players, that requires next to no skill and only twenty minutes to an hour of burning through trash and tank-and-spankable bosses. I'm trying to clear Firelands, heroic Cataclysm content, and Herald of The Titans. This isn't stuff you can just pull any guy into and hope he does alright. When one guy doesn't show up to a heroic raid that requires a certain level of skill and gear, it's a big deal.

So while you may not be having troubles, our situations aren't similar at all.

[palomedes]

I'm starting to see alot more raid leaders create events then they don't even show up. Think the count is up to 3 within the last 2 days. Huge waste of time waiting for people to find out the Raidleaders decide last minute to not show. Even worse is alot don't add to the reserve/approved rosters till the last minute. Aggrevating to say the least.

[Vincentus]

Even worse is alot don't add to the reserve/approved rosters till the last minute. Aggrevating to say the least.

I dropped out of a Herald run like that. Some guy said he needed healers, and I waited three days without any response on if I was going at all before I finally just gave up and took my name off the list. I'm not going to wait until the day of the raid to find out if I can go or not; many more interesting things to do than sit on my hands, after all.

[Starfyrez]

small issue with flakes lately. people forgetting that they signed up for raids ALL THE TIME.

but a big issue that is harder to deal with is the constant bitching. example being. i run a 25 ulduar drake meta run every week. and theres always the odd person that wants the non meta achievement, which is fine. but when they start hammering into the "noobs" that stand in bad stuff on mimron or general vezzax. i've been trying to figure out how to deal with those people without losing them. don't exactly have an overfilling raiding roster for this every week. ocasionally i do and its easier to 24 man it sometimes than deal with those people.